Gemma returns four years after being our very first guest, and so much has changed. With Joel and Brayden, they explore her journey from anxious early twenties to finding contentment and joy.

When Gemma first appeared in 2020, she was living at home during COVID, working casually, and navigating youth ministry. Now she's married, teaching full-time, and stepped away from youth leadership to join Late Night. But the real transformation is internal.

Gemma shares about deleting social media from her phone and discovering she's happier without it. She reflects on resilience, not as being fazed by hard things, but as depending on God through difficulty. The conversation covers modelling healthy phone habits for students, the heartbreak of identity shifts when leaving youth ministry, and learning to find joy in seasons rather than rushing to the next milestone.

They also discuss teaching at a Christian school, trusting God through changes, contentment versus happiness, and fixing our eyes on Jesus when life is good and when it's not.