Van Orden speaks to Ostrolenk about his endeavors to inspire reform within the American Legion, specifically, to motivate the leadership to police up their ranks and call to task members who lie about their service in order to make the Legion a place where younger veterans will join in greater numbers. This goal is to decrease the isolation of veterans and stop the epidemic rate of suicide in the community.

To learn more and get involved in the effort, read the articles Orden references (https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/former-navy-seal-questions-american-legion-vetting-process-has-speech/article_33421836-4428-5111-aa03-f57be6f01194.html; https://taskandpurpose.com/exclusive-american-legion-in-turmoil-as-top-exec-resigns-over-background-questions/), and visit militaryphony.com.