We've got Jessie Martin, Global Head of Advisory at Novata, joining us today. We explore the growing pushback against ESG reporting, particularly due to regulatory overload and inefficiencies. Jessie highlights how businesses are struggling with excessive ESG data demands, leading to frustration and calls for simplification, especially in Europe with the CSRD and in the US with a shifting regulatory landscape. Despite these challenges, she emphasizes that a sustainability focus should not be abandoned but rather reframed as a tool for managing business risks and opportunities, rather than just a compliance exercise.