When was the last time you changed your mind about anything?


That’s one of the questions that’s asked in my conversation with Reggie Dabbs and John Driver, authors of Not So Black and White: An Invitation to Honest Conversations about Race and Faith.

In this conversation, we talk about what prompted these two friends to write this book together and what we can all learn if we take the position of humility as individuals, as Christians, and as a nation.

Plus, we talk:

—What keeps us from ACTUALLY loving our nation

—One simple action to take when you don’t know where to start learning

—The history of race in our systems 

—What our responsibility as Jesus’ disciples is