In this episode, Sam chats with Jeremy Gregg, the Managing Director for Texas Arabella Advisors, where he serves as a trusted advisor for high-capacity philanthropists. As a social entrepreneur, Jeremy has cofounded several successful nonprofits and mission-driven businesses. Listen in as Sam and Jeremy discuss the issue of mass incarceration, the idea of social return on investment, and "Daddy's Timeout," a book Jeremy wrote to help explain incarceration to children with incarcerated parents.

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