Retirement is not the end of the story. It is the plot twist. In this episode, Matt and Ryan sit down with the unforgettable Dr. Deborah Parsons to talk about career pivots, retirement realities, reinvention, and what it means to keep creating in every chapter of life. From police work to higher education leadership to children’s book author and illustrator, Deb shares a jam packed journey packed and a few wild stories along the way, including turning down Prince. Yes, that Prince. 🎙️✨

Together, they explore when it might be time for a change, how identity shifts after retirement, why it is never too late to try something new, and how our talents can follow us into unexpected places. 

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