Brent and Dave had a fantastic conversation with writer Lori Sebastianutti, who learned after (finally) successful IVF treatments that the Catholic Church is against any extra-intercourse conception, and faced a crisis of conscience as a result. And yet she came to a place where she knows the rightness of her choices: celibate men shouldn't be making decisions about women's bodies and fertility choices.

Rejected Central is a human podcast hosted by bestselling novelist Brent van Staalduinen and educator and life-embracer Dave Parkinson. Listen wherever you get your podcasts, follow us online and social media, and let us know what you think. Thanks for listening!