Relatively Ordinary

Relatively Ordinary

By Karl and BetsySociety & Culture
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Relatively Ordinary episodes

  • Ep. 36: "Old Enough to Remember"

    Fresh off a marathon relay (and almost $5K raised for the iCan Bike camp), Betsy and Karl take on a topic that's hard to believe is a quarter-century old: September 11th. Betsy was a 19-year-old sophomore in Boston trying to get to organic chemistry; Karl was a 19-year-old co-op in a cubicle farm, hitting refresh on CNN.com. They dig into what changed after that day — the unity, the fear, the TSA, the ugliness — and what they'd want the generation that only knows it from history books to understand. Plus: a Quick Bite on bold moves that reveals who would bungee jump, who would hit on a stranger in a bar, and why being okay looking stupid might be the boldest move of all.

    1 hr 1 min
  • Ep. 35: "Another Trip Around the Sun"

    One year, 35 episodes, and (conveniently) one night before our actual 19th wedding anniversary — so we're marking both. Betsy puts Karl through a "Who Said That Shit" lightning round of the show's most unhinged quotes, we go back and grade ourselves against the goals we set in Episode 1, and yes, our favorite episode is the most recent one because we apparently have the memory of goldfish. Plus a few hints at what Year Two might hold, and an overdue reckoning over who actually keeps this whole operation running.

    50 min
  • Ep. 34: “The Big Ball of Hopes & Dreams”

    Is there one non-negotiable thing a partner has to provide — the kind of thing where nothing else makes up for its absence? Karl digs into the actual research this week: Gottman's bids for connection, the Four Horsemen of divorce, and the newer science of "perceived partner responsiveness," all kicked off by a meme Betsy sent him that may or may not have gotten him a little emotional. Also featuring a paddleboarding standoff with an overly concerned stranger, and a dream Betsy would like stricken from the record.

    1 hr 15 min
  • Ep. 33: "Splitting the Difference”

    Fresh off a Jersey Shore tan and a field hockey redemption tour, Betsy and Karl dig into the thing that makes every relationship, workplace, and government function (or not): compromise. Karl unpacks why it's become a dirty word in national politics, what "power vacuums" do to group decisions at work, and — closer to home — the actual, specific things they've each given up (or refused to) to build a life together. Plus: a very literal power vacuum, a wrong turn on a hike, and the ongoing debate over who actually wears the pants.

    57 min
  • Ep. 32: "True Colors"

    This week Karl and Betsy take on the fight over Pride flags happening in towns across the country — prompted by a recent local flag controversy, the death of Lindsey Graham and his "complicated" legacy, and the tail end of Pride Month. They dig into why a piece of fabric can still spark this much heat, what real allyship looks like beyond a rainbow sticker, and why Karl still isn't sold on the parade scene. Plus: Betsy's Quick Bite gets a surprisingly intimate answer that has nothing to do with what you'd expect.

    51 min
  • Ep. 31: “Legos, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness”

    Happy Birthday America! This one opens with a toilet installation and closes with Betsy and Karl threatening revolution via the musket in the family room. Betsy steals a page from Maine Calling's playbook to get Karl on record defining the American Dream — and whether wealth inequality, crushing student debt, and a nation raised on planned obsolescence have quietly killed it. Bonus content: a surprisingly airtight case for Legos solving the housing crisis.


    1 hr
  • Ep. 30: “No Time Like the Presence”

    After a two-and-a-half-week hiatus (and several legitimate excuses), Betsy and Karl dig into presence — why we're so bad at it, whether mindfulness is a luxury only the comfortable can afford, and what it actually looks like to put the phone down and show up. Along the way: World Cup chaos, beer-thirsty Scots overrunning Boston, and a Quick Bite detour into "goblintimacy" that reveals exactly how misanthropic one of them is willing to admit to on a first date. Things get real when they land on the stat that by the time your kid leaves for college, you've already spent 90% of all the in-person time you'll ever get with them — and Betsy hands out a self-graded report card on her own presence that's... let's just say it's not an A.

    1 hr 9 min
  • Ep. 29: "Lessons from a Marriage"

    Betsy brings a topic ripped straight from Maine headlines — the Graham Platner Senate race and the media's gleeful dissection of his marriage — and uses it to ask a bigger question: why are we so obsessed with other people's relationships? What follows is an honest conversation about how we actually judge marriage success (spoiler: it's mostly vibes), what non-traditional arrangements reveal about the assumptions we didn't know we were making, and what nearly two decades of being deeply known by another person does to your sense of self. Also, Karl's soul mate doesn't believe in soul mates. That figures.

    55 min
  • Ep. 28: "The Talk"

    It's time for The Talk — not the birds and the bees, but the whole messy American relationship with sex. On the table: why Americans are so uniquely bad at discussing sex openly, what it means that porn has become the default sex education for most teenagers, and what a genuinely healthy sexual foundation actually looks like. Somewhere between Satan's butt baby and studying anatomy, we go back to the basis: it starts with honest relationships, open communication, and locking the door. Kids, put your AirPods in.

    1 hr 7 min
  • Ep. 27: "Hacked Off"

    It's Mother's Day, our butts are finally comfortable, and Karl is in his "I Love Hot Moms" shirt, as nature intended. After swapping signs of spring (daffodils vs. fiddleheads — a true Maine debate), Betsy turns the tables and puts Karl's tech brain to work on a topic that hits close to home: cybersecurity. From a false alarm active shooter alert at their son's school to the Canvas data breach affecting millions of students, Betsy has questions — and Karl has opinions. They unpack why your data is worth more than you think, what cookies actually are (hint: think creepy guy at the mall), and why dismantling national cybersecurity infrastructure at this particular moment in history is, uh, not ideal.

    1 hr 3 min

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From global headlines to neighborhood happenings to the dinner table — we make sense of the world by talking it through together. Relatively Ordinary is a podcast where Karl and Betsy, a married…