Nichole of the Light and Shadow Podcast joins Caitlin to cover 2020's Relic, an underseen gem that deserves attention. We talk about monstrous motherhood, fears of aging, decline, deterioration, and the trauma that we can all inherit. Find it on Shudder.

Tangents include: tarot cards, FMK: coloring utensils, favorite forms of potato, M3GAN 2.0, 2025 horror, podcasting, feel-bad movies, and FMK: peanut butter.