In Episode 53 of The Chief Exchange Podcast, Alec talks to Durham Fire Chief Robert Zoldos about leadership, recruitment, and firefighter retention. Chief Zoldos shares how his time as a mayor gave him a unique edge in fire service leadership, along with proven strategies to attract and retain top talent. From advocating for pro-athlete-level pay to exploring innovative shift schedules, this episode is packed with insights every fire service leader needs to hear. Plus, we dive into why you should always practice harder than you perform and how to elevate risk management in your department.