In this episode, I’m joined by my friends Ryan and Wendy for an honest and heartfelt conversation about the creative journey and what it really looks like to make things in the midst of real life.

Together, we talk about collaboration and the beauty of creating in community, the rhythms that shape our creative process, and the boundaries we’ve had to set to protect what matters most. We also reflect on what it means to keep showing up and to keep creating even when life feels heavy or uncertain.

This conversation was recorded a few months ago, and since then, Wendy has experienced deep personal loss. We hold that tenderly as we release this episode, knowing that these words now carry even greater weight.

Whether you’re walking through something hard, wrestling with your own creative rhythms, or just need to hear that you’re not alone, this one’s for you.

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In the debut episode of Renaissance Creative Leadership Podcast, Jess Sanchez sits down with pastor, leader, and communicator Jess DiSabatino to explore a foundational question: Does God actually care about the arts?

From the divine craftsmanship of Exodus 31 to the prophetic role of artists today, we unpack what Scripture reveals about God's heart for creativity.

We also take a look back at church history particularly the shift that happened after the Middle Ages, when the Protestant Reformation, while vital in many ways, inadvertently de-emphasized the role of beauty, imagination, and the arts in worship and theology. This departure helped form a lingering paradigm in modern church culture: that the arts are secondary or even unnecessary.

This episode is both a theological and pastoral encouragement for anyone wrestling with their place in the Church or the world as a creative. Whether you're a painter, poet, filmmaker, or musician, you’ll walk away with a deeper sense of purpose, and a reminder that God is not indifferent to your work; He is the One who called you to it.

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Should the arts actually matter for Christian leaders? Listen in and find out why. 

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