Frank Lavin talks with Renee DiResta, Internet disinformation analyst. How does misinformation and disinformation travel so rapidly on the Internet and what steps can be taken to push back?  How will this affect U.S. elections or U.S. support for Ukraine? Books discussed include Renee DiResta’s Invisible Rulers, Peter Pomerantsev’s Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible and Annalee Newitz’s Stories are Weapons.