This is a conversation we’ve been sitting with for many weeks, thinking hard about how to present it. We spoke to our guests with the idea we would simply talk about the paper they co-authored… and we did… but we also ventured into spaces we didn’t anticipate! Although they are not from the patient engagement world, Amy and Melody’s research and insights cast a different sort of light on engagement activities. Hosts Jennifer and Emily think through ideas of power, obfuscation, accountability, and whether we’re all just spinning our wheels…by design.