The two pastors are still on their summer recording break but we're happy to bring you this repost which originally appeared on Nov. 2, 2018, the date on which Pastor Beth's book "Who is God when we Hurt" launched. The sense of vulnerability and honesty expressed in the book is mirrored here in this podcast interview, and the two pastors talk about Beth's book, about pain, and about God.

[As this is a reposted episode, please note that all events mentioned in this repost occur in the past.]