In this gripping episode of Secure Talk, hosted by Justin Beals, we dive deep into the fascinating intersection of technology, governance, and society. Our special guest, Mark Listes, CEO of Pendulum, discusses his journey from a coding enthusiast to a champion of cybersecurity and democracy. The episode takes a compelling turn as we explore a riveting case study on a data breach involving Carta and Linear. Discover how internal governance and public narratives play crucial roles in securing data and maintaining trust.