‘The explanation is actually the process — the courageto stay in movement and not know where you are going.’

In this episode, Rob Young meets Ewa Jacobsson and herlong-term collaborator Hilde Marie Holsen to talk about Labyrinthic Explanation of Knowledge, a large-scale installation and concert work presented at Ultima 2025. They discuss how their collaboration grew out of shared listening, material exploration and a mutual interest in sound as something physical, spatial and alive.

Together, they reflect on working with found objects, sound circuits and live trumpet, on the idea of the labyrinth as a place of uncertainty and discovery, and on forms of knowledge that resist efficiency, productivity and clear-cut answers — but remain deeply necessary today.

Produced by ⁠Ultima Oslo Contemporary Music Festival⁠

Written and presented by Rob Young

Edited by Solveig Sørbø

Theme music by Kristine Tjøgersen

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