Nikon Gormley had achieved success as a top-level athlete, but he was still searching for answers. He wanted to feel calm during his taekwondo matches so he began looking in all the usual places. It wasn’t until he discovered the Three Principles that things began to click into place for him. Now he coaches others about the innate resilience and well-being that we all possess.

Nikon Gormley is passionate about guiding people to unleash their true, full potential so that they can experience greater levels of success, purpose, and well-being in their lives. He helps people understand and experience the beauty of how their minds work, harness the power of insight to navigate life with more clarity and ease and achieve more with less struggle, less anxiety, and less pressure.

Nikon is also passionate about Taekwondo. He have been practising Taekwondo for 25+ years and has a 5th Dan Black Belt. He has trained and competed around the world as an elite athlete.

You can find Nikon Gormley at NikonGormley.com and on YouTube @nikongormley.

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Alexandra: Nikon Gormley, welcome to Unbroken.

Nikon: Thank you for having me, Alexandra. It’s pleasure to be here.

Alexandra: It’s so nice to have you here.

Nikon: My background started as a taekwondo athlete, as a young boy, as a martial art taken as a Korean martial art. And being called the athlete side of it, right, there’s a martial art side of it. And there’s an athlete side of it, because it was the Olympic sport in Thailand, it’s just very popular, we have it in our national Olympics, or we can get University scholarship scholarships for it.

I started when I was 12. And I played for about 20 years. And being in a sport, you develop this thing where you just want to be better, you get obsessed with yourself not being good enough, and you get obsessed with wanting to be better. And apart from doing everything I physically could to be better and training, I knew I had to work on my mind.

It’s a combat sport. So there’s a lot going on, there’s people yelling at you, there’s someone trying to kick you and you got to kick them have a good story about that after so. I really went around all the houses, I studied everything I could from the law of attraction, or affirmations or like NLP, anything, in hopes that would make me a better athlete. And nothing really worked.

I always thought it was my fault. Like, maybe I didn’t visualize the right details, or maybe I didn’t say the right affirmations in the right order. Maybe I didn’t write script it good enough, and then I got fed up. But it wasn’t great.

And then finally, I read the Inside Out Revolution by Michael Neal. I didn’t understand it. But something clicked. There was something inside of me like this makes sense. I was like, Oh my god. Finally, finally. And then something funny happened.

I was competing at the Thai National Olympics, I was competing for a province who had hired me to compete for them at the games. And I didn’t care anymore. I stopped caring about what was on my mind, I stopped caring about not being confident and just want to enjoy the game. So it’s probably one of my last Thai National Olympics.

And I was like, honestly, go enjoy myself. And sure enough, everything just was flowed. I had the best time ever. I got to compete against the number one seed who I lost to, but I really enjoyed that match with him. So much so that after I lost him, I was like, Hey, that was a great match. Thank you so much for your time and energy. And how’d you do this? How’d you do that? And I’m watching myself. This guy just kicked your ass. Why are we so friendly to him?

Because it didn’t make sense not to be. And then from there that was like, Okay, I need to know everything I need to know everything I can about this. And similar to you. I read all the books, talked to all the people. I hunted down all the teachers that I could find and just sit with them and talk with them and learn from them. And since then, my life has bloomed in incredible ways.

In our conversation, we talk about the magic carpet ride. Dr. Joe Bailey talks about that where you get on the magic carpet ride. And it just takes you to places. From there, I don’t know how to describe it. It’s just been an incredible journey where I noticed more of the time I stopped finding myself in the right place at the right time. And being more noticeable when I was off track.

That’s a big thing. Being more noticeable. Like this doesn’t feel right. I’m off track or my mind. My mind is out to lunch. I’m insecure about this. I’m done. And it just kept getting better and better and better. And what to me it’s like an evergreen renewable energy source right as keep seeing more. I was telling talking to a mentor last night in a group and saying like, I think I see you about this much. But that much is enough to have a beautiful life.

Alexandra: That’s such a good way to put it.

Nikon: That comes from a joke. You want to hear it? The joke is Adam Sandler was receiving his Mark Twain prize, and had all his comedian friends come and share stories and send up bits for Adam. David Spade got up and he said, “Adam Sandler. $8 billion in movies. This much talent.”

So if you’re listening this much is not a lot. I thought about it like, yeah, it’s kind of like us like we see this much, but that’s enough to have a beautiful life.

Alexandra: Yes, that’s so well said, I love that.

Nikon: And now we’re here, you know?

Nikon: So some of the things as a result was like, Okay, well, what happened? How did your life bloom and to think more, I got to work with all my favorite teachers. I got to build a beautiful taekwondo business. We have 12 branches around Thailand, we teach 400 kids a week, we have 15 staff. We recently hit like our new revenue highs.

But the best part is, we didn’t really feel like we were working that hard. We’re just enjoyed doing what we’re doing. I have a coaching business that I love. I get to work with corporates and people around the world and doesn’t feel like work at all. I have a national radio show, under the Ministry of Education by Thailand, and I’m sitting here going, I don’t know how this happened. I just kept showing up.

Whereas before this conversation would have been, oh, yeah, I hustled my butt. I grinded my way to this, but it doesn’t feel like that anymore. And that’s how we’re here.

Nikon: Sure, that’s a good question. I would say the thing that folds into that is sheer presence of just showing up, and really being with the kids. I’ll tell you our secret sauce for anybody listening for wondering how Super Seven Taekwondo does what we do, we only have one strategy with the kids. And our one strategy is to simply be really happy to see them. Really, really glad to see the kids. That’s all we do. Anybody can teach taekwondo but having the presence to really be with kids and be genuinely happy to see these little human beings.

Alexandra: That’s so great. That makes me emotional. That’s a beautiful approach.

Nikon: I think the other part of the more technical is not technical is, it’s how we build business in the taekwondo business, because it grew from like one branch to 12, from 10 kids to 400, over 10 years. That was very much the principles, because for the longest time, it was hovering around five.

Once I got into the principles, it like it, like 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, like really fast. And I was wondering about it. I realized the way myself and my team approach the business changed. We stop worrying about it so much. We held it lightly. And we slowed down a lot. And we let the business grow at a pace that the business wanted to grow, not when our insecurities wanted to grow.

Alexandra: That’s amazing. One of the things that I read on your website was that you were an overachiever in the past. Can you talk about that a little bit?

Nikon: Oh, yeah, absolutely. For anybody else’s who has ever felt not good enough. So interesting. So a lot of people feel that my reaction to that thought was if I could just achieve enough I could feel good about myself. If I could just achieve enough people would give me the time and attention that I wanted. And that was my response for most of my life. I just kept like, it was nothing interesting happens. Interesting thing happens when you have that reaction to that thought is nothing is ever good enough, either.

I don’t know what the cartoon is, but something who like there’s probably a word for it. Like when you when you keep trying to feed yourself things you don’t really need so it’s never enough.

Nikon: That’s one that one. Where no matter how much success or money or accolades, it just didn’t do it. I remember winning gold medals in taekwondo and looking at it and then being happy for like a day and then okay, I guess I need to get some more. It’s just never enough. It was never enough.

And of course you feel really bad about yourself because you’re trying to you’re trying to feed this ghost that never, never stops. I wouldn’t I really stopped once I got into the principles and I saw it once I saw it. I was like, well that’s weird. Why would I need to achieve these things to feel good about myself like I’m okay.

In Mavis Karn’s beautiful book, It’s That Simple, she talks about you’re okay. For me it was Michael Neill, Mavis Karn, and Dr. Bill Pettit, who really drove that noticing home until I saw it in myself like, oh, yeah, I’m actually okay.

That’s the beautiful thing about this conversation, is that we don’t see how much of our life are operating from these reactions to our thinking to our thoughts.

Like, given that I’m not good enough, I’m going to overwork myself, I’m going to pedal to the metal to try and achieve things. And, I’m grateful for it. Because in a very roundabout way, now that I’m working with corporates, and the teams are young, they’re like, 23 to 25, they’re fresh out of college. I see it in them.

I had a beautiful conversation with a young AI engineer – that’s a weird thing to say: they’re are AI engineers now. He said, What’s something you think I can improve upon? And I said, Well, there’s nothing you can improve upon. But this is what I would give you, for you to not need to prove anything to me or anybody here and for you to slow down and just really enjoy the work.

There was dead silence for a good 30 seconds that felt like forever. And I said, Well, that was a good career for me. And he said to me, how did you know that? How did you know that I don’t feel like I’m good enough? And I said, Because me too. I thought it was like when the penny drops, like, oh, that’s why I had to do that. So I could do this.

But we’re searching for it out there, in the accomplishments and in the gold medals and that kind of stuff. When really, it’s here.

Nikon: Yeah, and it really, it’s like pollution. I’m gonna call it pollution, because it doesn’t just affect the feeling it affects everything else, because it becomes a habit of being discontent. I got that from my teacher, Mavis Karn. And I was like, Whoa, you have a habit of being discontent with where you are. And it keeps you from really enjoying, and being grateful for the life you have. Because you’re not good enough. Not good enough. Not good enough.

Alexandra: That’s so well said. I love that.

Nikon: It was one of those things where in this conversation, it was one day I saw it. And it stopped looking interesting to me, being discontent with my life. One day it just stopped looking like a good idea. And just like that it dissolved, which I’m still discovering, and I’m sure you are too, in this conversation at all, like how that works.

You don’t have to change it and have to replace it with a new belief or a new habit of thought. It just didn’t make sense. It really doesn’t make sense. Why would I do that to myself? And to my surprise,  once I stopped being discontent with life, my life got even better.

It was as if the habit of being discontent took up space in my bandwidth that kept me from really seeing things or experiencing things. And when I stopped doing it, there was more space in my life for prosperity, for abundance, for good things and clarity, but I didn’t know it. I just kept filling my bandwidth with you’re not good enough, you’re not good enough. And nothing is good enough, even though how nice it looked.

And then also in that journey, is Oh, you didn’t tell you in that journey. I would like Well, let me go to the other side. Let me talk to like some Olympic athletes and world champions and unlike people who are super wealthy, they probably solve this problem. When I started spending time with them, I realized that they too didn’t know how to solve this problem.

I remember I hung out with before the Rio Olympic Games a Spanish athlete. I’m not gonna say his name. He had a gold medal from the London Olympic Games. He had come to visit the Thai team and I had friends who knew him and we went out to the bar for drinks And he’s like, you want to come like, of course, I want to go meet this guy. And I’ll never forget it because I met this guy and I was so disappointed at how normal he was, and how he was just normal human being.

I was like, that’s not right. An Olympic gold medalist cannot be normal human being. I talked to him and I watched him and I noticed like you two had insecurities. And I was like, Do you want an Olympic gold medal? He should be like, God, you know, and he wasn’t. And then I think all these things were pointing me to look deeper. Like, well, it’s not the Olympic medal. It’s not the gazillion dollars. Like, it wasn’t that so I made it. It helped me to look in a different way. I’m really grateful that life pointed me here. And I saw it.

Alexandra: What a great lesson. For any of us, for all of us.

Alexandra: Absolutely. And in fact, in the present moment, I’m wrestling with a feeling of wanting to be a secret. So I’m looking at that and, and contemplating it and seeing where it might lead me. I don’t know yet. We shall see.

You have a YouTube station. And I was watching a few of your YouTube videos. And you’ve mentioned Mavis Karn, who I’ve had on the program.

Nikon: Sure. So credit to Mavis Karn, who shares this with anybody who will listen. All emotion is really designed to guide us home, and our feelings are barometers of what’s going on in our minds. And the idea is that whatever you’re feeling, you put your put your hand or whatever you’re feeling, and you let it take you somewhere.

I think our habitual reaction is to not to follow it. And the idea is, you follow it, and as with all emotion, it takes you home. It’s taking you somewhere inward to a place of calm. It’s like a light in the storm. That’s what it looks like to me. And the feeling of home is that that’s our default setting of home.

As I’m saying that fresh now, it occurs to me how cool it is that that is built in. In most of my life, and most people I reckon, where we’re taught to deal with our emotions, like we need to change it, it’s not good enough, you need to go do something about it. If you’re sad, should go for a walk. If you’re happy, then like you should do more of the stuff that makes you happy, to keep to keep being happy.

I think what Mavis is pointing to, or I’m seeing more of is, is you have built if something built into your system that has always taking you to okayness and we do really well when we’re okay, when we’re calm and clear. Mavis says nobody gets stupid when they’re peaceful.

When we’re calm and clear, we’re cognizant, we’re aware, we’re awake. We are more gentle with ourselves and other people. Just takes us home. I know you could do that I like I too thought, Oh, happy, good, sad, bad. I’m still discovering how that works. How our divine engineering works, that you could just feel what you’re feeling no matter what it is and let it take you home.

Alexandra: I love the feedback aspect of that awareness that our feelings are always letting us know what our state of mind is like in a given moment. That built in divine engineering, as you say, as Mavis says.

Nikon: What I’m curious about is I think most people will do that exercise when they’re not feeling good, anxious or sad or overwhelmed. I’m curious to see what happens when we do it when we’re really happy to see where does the feeling take us.

What occurs to me is I’ve been surface happy for most of my life and achieving things where like, I’m really happy because I achieved this. And it was, it was a very quick come and go it was like a hit of dopamine, achievement. I wonder if this points to a deeper place of well being where it’s like, I don’t want to say happy but you’re well from the inside out. That has to have some kind of effect.

Alexandra: For sure that calm, peaceful, contentment.

Nikon: That’s what I love about this conversation that we can explore and see fresh.

Alexandra: Me too. It feels bottomless. We can just keep going, keep seeing things. I love that about it.

One of the other things I wanted to ask you about was worry. You have a video on your channel and you talk about how we can become afraid of certain thoughts. And which can create worry or add on to worry.

Nikon: Sure. The nature of worry is it’s made out of thought that we have a very strong reaction to and I think we have a lot of premises about that thought. In my work, and I’ve seen for myself, okay, as an athlete, I thought if I didn’t worry about competing, I wasn’t going to prepare hard enough, or I was going to make a mistake. The more I worried, the more prepared I would be to compete, not knowing that that worry was taking my attention away from being really present in the mat in the ring.

I look at it fresh now and I really see it as a misunderstanding, where it wasn’t meant to help me over prepare. I used it the wrong way. All it was trying to tell me that my mind was going a little too fast. That was the first when I first saw about it.

Now, looking at it at a deeper level is I didn’t know that you could not be interested in it. I didn’t know that. You could not be interested in worry. Like you can see it, you could feel it and go you know what? Not today, I have stuff to do. I didn’t know you could do that.

I thought you could feel it and then okay, worry. Okay, I know what that is premise done. I didn’t know you could say not today. I’m gonna focus on being right here right now. And it looks different to me now. There’s being worried about something and knowing that you have to do something. The knowing has a very different taste to it, where you just know you need to double check something or your friend.

It might feel like worry, but you just know in your heart like, oh, I need check on my friend, I think something’s there. Or I need to maybe not be in this situation right now. Because it looks like something’s off. And it’s a very intuitive feeling.

I found that once I stopped paying attention to worry, those things became stronger. It’s almost like less noise, more signal. And what looks different to me now is because the signals are more clear, I’m more able to navigate my life. Previously, I would call it worry. But now I’m like, I think no, not this way. That way.

Nikon: Correct. And instead of what I think I think we worry about being worried. Yes, we do. And all life says I was trying to go that way. I didn’t you know all this other stuff that you’re putting on it, dwell on it. That not helpful.

Something Michael Neill said about it that I found really helpful is that we are made really well to deal with what’s on our plate. We are not made so well to deal with everything else that’s in our mind.

I think when we react to worry, the thought of worry, when we don’t catch it and we don’t see it. We like I should really be worried about being smart. And then we create these thunderstorms in our heads. And it takes our attention away from the directional sign that said Turn left here. That what it looks to me.

I have a national radio show under the Ministry of Education of Thailand. I think it’s my third episode, it’s a two hour show. And people can call in and get coaching live and ask questions. So this lady calls in and I asked her like, Hi, welcome to the show. Do you have a question?

She says, “No, I don’t have a question. I just wanted to tell you that you’re not rolling your r’s in Thai correctly. And I thought you needed to know that given that you’re on the radio.” And she said it just like that, and I’m going. A funny thing happened because I saw that I’m not gonna be on the radio anymore. You can’t speak properly.

But I don’t think that’s a good idea to go that way. I’m just going to thank this lady for correcting my Thai speaking on national radio, bless her and say good luck. And that was it. And then this was, I think, in the first 15 minutes of this two hour show, so I had an hour and 45 minutes to go.

The worry did occur me like, I wonder if this is going to throw me off. And it didn’t, because it wasn’t that interesting to me, in my head. I saw the worry. And I’m like, You know what, nobody else called and told me my Thai sucked.

But I think that’s what’s on offer here for everybody listening. When you really spend time to really notice your thinking and really see what we’re pointing to, you get to do stuff like that, where things just roll off your back.

Alexandra: The other thing that occurs to me too about worry is that there’s this universal intelligence that I was not aware of. Nobody had talked about until I was 50 years old, or whatever it was. And we can rely on it. It’s always there, the wisdom and the intelligence that holds us up.

So we don’t have to be so over prepared and worried about what’s going to happen and thinking of all the different scenarios, and how will I deal with it? If this happens, how will I deal with that? If somebody corrects the way I roll my rs. We don’t have to do that?

Nikon: Absolutely. I remember as a taekwondo athlete studying really high level athletes, because it’s been so curious; how do they do what they do? And what are they doing that I’m not doing? I remember one interview with Jade Jones and Jade Jones is a double Olympic gold medalist. And when like the legends, and she’s from the UK, and they asked like Jade, “how do you prepare for your matches? Do you watch tapes? Do you know how do you do this?” And she said, “I don’t do any of that. I just show up and respond to what happens in her own way. Because I really don’t know what that person is going to do.”

And the way it was she articulated more because she doesn’t. She’s not in this conversation, understanding she said, because if I watched her videos, they’re probably not going to do exactly what they did in that video. I need to be really present with the person in front of me.

Another athlete in Thailand, who is also an Olympic gold minister. Funny, Her nickname is Tennis, but she’s really great at taekwondo. Go figure. Before her match, she’ll sit and watch her opponent in fighting other people like before she fights them. Tennis will come and sit down and just sit and watch. I looked in her eyes like in when I was when she was doing this on video and I realized she wasn’t analyzing she was just absorbing and getting a feel for her opponent before she before she fought her opponent.

I thought that was the coolest thing. But you could tell she was just absorbing like a sponge. She wasn’t like okay, this one that one. Remember that he uses his left leg. That blew my mind looking back at it now. And that’s what we’re talking about being on offer because she’s not worried about it. She’s able to really be present and see information at a much higher level, which we I’ll have that ability we all do is don’t know it.

Alexandra: Speaking of which: for our listeners, what I tend to do when I prepare for a show is send my guests the questions in advance and you specifically wrote to me and said, Do not send me the questions in advance, which I loved. I thought that was so cool. So tell me about that.

Nikon: Michael Neill did that to me. I was like, What do you mean, he’s like, You didn’t even want to look at like, Nope, don’t look at I want to show up fresh. And I’m like, I didn’t get it. Then because that was like, a few years ago I didn’t get why he did that. But now I do.

I realized, credit to him, he is more interested in fresh than stale thought, so stale thought like stale bread, old thought that’s kind of been there. While general reactions, he’s had to similar questions like, he’s far more interested than seeing from the edge. And me and my word, but we were too worried. Do you understand at the edge. And now, I too, am more curious about seeing from the edge.

I’m so curious about seeing with the edge with you. That’s what I love these conversations. So we get to see from the edge together and see things we’ve never seen before. I’m having a great time seeing more about worry. I’m seeing more about old premises and thought like this is this is the best morning ever.

Alexandra: Oh, that’s great. I’m glad to hear that. Well, thank you for that. Because it’s interesting doing this show, some people appreciate the questions and others say I glanced at them, but I’m not really all that interested.

Nikon: How cool is that? That’s a really good thing to point out. There’s no right way. You always have to see from the edge like, No, you don’t do what occurs to you. Someone’s divine engineering or signals might be like, there’s a question in there that you’re reading to look at, that’s going to be helpful for you. And you should look at that question. And they’ll say, please send me the questions. And for me, it was I really want to see fresh with Alexandra, I want to stand at the edge with her and see what we see.

Alexandra: I remember Michael saying he spent a year one year and every presentation he gave, he decided not to prepare at all. And he said, I think what he said was, a third of them were fantastic. A third of them were really not great at all. And a third we’re sort of mediocre. So just like you say, sometimes preparation is required, but sometimes not.

Nikon: I’m really grateful for Michael testing this out on behalf of all of us. Thank you, Michael. Now we can learn from your like, okay, need to prepare a little bit.

Alexandra: We’re just about out of time. So I wanted to wrap up with a couple of things.

Nikon: Yes. And it’s starting, but you can still join. It’s four weeks. I guess I can tell; it’s four weeks and Azul and I, we decided that we wanted to create two more bonus sessions, group sessions, because people were joining from all around the world. And not everybody can make it in the timezone.

It’s 10pm Bangkok time, and it’s 1am Australian time, and we wanted to give those people a chance to connect. And it’s one of those conversations where that’s what’s cool about this conversation is it’s not a conversation where it’s linear, where you have to join the first one to make sense of the rest is you can step you can step in at any at any one of the four weeks and have just a good time. And you’ll get the recordings for the whole thing.

Nikon: The Divine Engineering of Us. And it’s based on a chapter in Mavis’ book, It’s That Simple. And it’s about learning how well we’re made. So we can be in life at a higher level of consciousness. And for me it’s clarity because you’re not spending time trying to deal with stuff your head, like I’m not good enough, I need to be good enough.

Can I share one thing about that?

Alexandra: Yes.

Nikon: Since seeing that, and uncovering it, I saw so many things. Like for example, I saw that my ambition was really insecurity, that if I didn’t achieve enough, I wasn’t going to be good enough. And now I don’t care anymore about those things, about what I wanted.

Or like earlier in my life, now, I really appreciate simplicity. And how I’m so grateful that I don’t need a lot at all, to be really well. I think that was the biggest insight from seeing that, that I don’t need a lot at all, to have a good life. And I was listening to a podcast with Katt Williams. A brilliant conversation has like, so like millions and millions of views. It’s like two and a half hours long, but people watched it.

Katt Williams said something to the effect of if you didn’t go to bed at night, and if you knew that that was your last day on earth, like that wasn’t a bad day. Like, that’s pretty good. And that’s how I feel now. Like, if today was my last day, and I had I got to talk to you and just do what I was going to do anyways, like, that was a pretty good day. I couldn’t say that before. So I can’t I need to, I have so much I need to achieve and then legacy. And now my slow, good.

Alexandra: Oh, that’s beautiful. I love it.

Nikon: When I was coming up in this conversation, the only way to access really great teachers like Joe Bailey and Mavis Karn. And my company would be to join their programs. And that was like, like, I don’t think they meant to do that. I just think they didn’t know how to make themselves available.

So I promised myself, because I’ve been really blessed, I think, in my life, and I want to give it back. So I thought, Okay, I’m going to dedicate an hour a month, I’m going to open my door, and anybody, anybody who wants to come and just have a conversation, or hang out with a group of like-minded people to come. It’s called first three Tuesdays, and it’s open office hours with me.

And it’s not one of those things where I only give you 20% of what I have. You get 100% of Nikon and my curiosity and my questions and this this type of conversation. And it’s what I really wanted, when I first started this in this conversation, to somewhere I could go and just hang out and just be like, I think that that’s part of I want to pay it forward.

Nikon: Yes, on my website, on my Instagram, on my LinkedIn, I share a lot about that. And it’s always there. It’s always if you type in my name, and you’re looking around, you’re always finding the first free Tuesday. It’s my it’s my gift for all the things I’ve been given.

Nikon: I reckon I want to give gratitude to you for all the work you’re doing and, and just bringing people in having these insightful conversations because you don’t know who this is articulated the right way. You don’t know where this conversation is needed. In the places it will bring light to in which rooms it will bring light to we don’t we never know. And we’ll probably never know.

But I have a hunch that because these conversations exist, the universe, God will bring them to the right people who really need them. And I think that’s so cool. That that you’re doing this and the people you’re interviewing, and the rooms at this conversation will light up. But we’ll never know about so much gratitude, respect and admiration for you and the work you’re doing.

Alexandra: Thank you so much. That’s so lovely. I’m happy to hear that. I’m so grateful for technology. Yeah, that feels so special to me that we can have this conversation and then share it with the world. I love that.

Nikon: We have Instagram at Nikon.Gormley. We have LinkedIn I’m pretty sassy on linkedin.com. My Website, NikonGormley.com. And there’s a YouTube channel @ Nikon Gormley. And that’s about it.

I’m still learning how to create stuff and there’s gonna be a lot more content coming out. I got a camera, so I’m going to learn how to use that for YouTube.

And for people who speak Thai, there’s a radio show every Sunday from four to 6pm on 92 FM. If you speak Thai, there’s that. We’re doing multi language. We got to light up all the rooms we can.

Alexandra: Yes, that’s right. I will put links in the show notes as ever.

Nikon: Thank you. And if you if you listen to the radio show and you have ideas about how I speak Thai, please send me an email. That would be much appreciated. Don’t call in and tell me. I can do that. It’s okay. But I prefer the email.

Alexandra: That’s great. Well, Nikon, thank you so much for being with me here today. I really appreciate it.

Nikon: Thank you, Alexandra. Absolute pleasure.

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