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In this raw and deeply relatable episode, Janey is joined by Penny and Verity, co-founders of the Architecture & Design Library and your regular Between the Walls co-hosts. They unpack what it means to show up as a designer in a world that still doesn’t fully understand your value. From being dismissed on site to gifting time just to prove your worth, they speak honestly about the emotional load of interior design and the quiet resilience it demands.

They dive into perfectionism—when it serves us, when it holds us back—and share how trusting your instinct can guide your creative journey. This episode is for anyone who’s ever felt the pressure to be “ready” or “perfect” before starting something new.

🧵 In this episode:
• Holding your ground and earning respect on a job site
• The emotional and practical cost of being an interior designer
• Why undercharging hurts more than just your business
• Trusting your instinct to shape your design and business style
• Collaborating across disciplines—how respect transforms projects
• Redefining perfectionism: when to strive and when to let go

🛠 Listener Q&A:
One simple budget-friendly way to refresh a space?
🎨 Paint walls
🛋 Move furniture
🧹 Declutter and create calm

💬 Reflections:

“Respect starts with knowing your worth.”
 “Design is deeply emotional — you carry people’s homes with you.”
 “Messiness isn’t failure; sometimes it’s the only way forward.”

💌 Have a question for Penny & Verity?
Send it on Instagram @betweenthell_II. Practical, random, or curious — your question might feature in a future episode!

Between the Walls is hosted by Janey, with Penny & Verity from the Architecture & Design Library — a hub for design professionals to connect, create, and thrive.

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