Mike Pesca is an award winning journalist, NPR legend, book author, substacker, and host of The Gist.

Listen to The Gist every weekday. Follow Mike on Substack. Read his rollicking book on sports what ifs.

Mike and I discussed many things, including: 

• His his interviews with Virginia Sole Smith, Rainn Wilson, and Leon Neyfakh. 
• His appreciation for The Colin McEnroe Show, WTF with Marc Maron, Conversations With Coleman Hughes, Larry Wilmore: Black on the Air, Savage Lovecast, Fresh Air with Terry Gross, and On the Media. For the record, if there were six faces on Mt. Rushmore, I might just enshrine Sean Evans and Neil Brennan, both of whom are pursuing innovative interview approaches. 

Mike recommends you read American Pastimes: The Very Best of Red Smith.

Do you enjoy these explorations of working lives? Please support this project on Patreon.

• Check out my free weekly newsletter, The Sabbateur. 
• All my other projects are over here. 
• Get in touch on Insta, Twitter, Facebook, or at podcastforaliving [at] gmail. 
• Please hit that follow/subscribe button, leave a review, and share the pod with your people. 

Our theme song is Nile's Blues by Kevin MacLeod, licensed under Creative Commons by an Attribution 4.0 License.
Thanks to Liv Hunt for the logo design. 

Please take good care of yourself. Thank you for listening!