We started this show with a discussion about one of the most iconic mini consumer devices - the iPod, which turned 15 years old this month.

Older iPods can be improved and maintained, and we talk about their staying power.

Then we talk about the downside to miniaturised and thin devices, discussing how Samsung locked itself into a disastrous design with the now infamous Note 7. Not only was it very difficult to refurbish, but after the device was discontinued, there is speculation about whether it can be safely recycled at all.

We talk about less dramatic, but very important design trade-offs with thin devices - and how we need to be more aware than ever when picking our next device.