Archbishop Patrick Kelly, retired Archbishop of Liverpool and former Chair of the Holy Land Co-ordination, is our guest for this 'Catholic News' podcast joining us to talk about his many pilgrimages to the lands of Christ and his 'hope' for peace in the Holy Land - something that, he believes, demands resurrection not resuscitation.

Archbishop Patrick is not optimistic, but he is hope-filled. He says the challenge is hold a "dream beyond possibilities".

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