In this episode of Rethink Reality, I’m joined by Fei-Fei Li, founder of World Labs, for a wide-ranging conversation about perception, intelligence, and what it actually means to understand a world.

We explore why perception and action evolved together, whether an AI can truly “see” without acting, and how world models are changing robotics, creativity, and simulation. Along the way, we talk about memory beyond the brain, common sense in machines, subjective language vs physical reality, and why 3D spatial understanding matters more than most people realize.

This episode also goes deeper than technology. We discuss human dignity, ethics, ownership of powerful tools, and how creators and technologists can work together without losing what makes creativity human.

It’s part philosophy, part engineering, part future-casting — and a reminder that every new tool reshapes how we see reality itself.

Topics include:

• Perception vs action in biological and artificial systems
• What counts as a “world” — physical, abstract, and simulated
• Memory, morphology, and embodied intelligence
• Common sense and language in AI
• World models, simulation, and robotics
• Human dignity in the age of intelligent machines

Guest: Dr. Fei-Fei Li

Host: Don Allen Stevenson IIICreative Technologist • AI Research Lead, AsteriaMasterClass Instructor | Ex-DreamWorks

🔗 Links & Resources

World Labs / MarbleExplore Marble: https://marble.worldlabs.ai/

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