In this episode, Jill Sitnick speaks with Stephan Kerby (aka “Kerby”), founder of the Mindscape Institute and developer of the first structured low-dose integration protocol for working with 5 (5-MeO). Together, they explore how trauma-informed facilitation, nervous system regulation, and a 6-month embodiment model are helping reshape the future of psychedelic healing.

We discuss:

• Why full-release doses aren’t always the safest path
• How Kirby's stepwise, low-dose approach supports long-term healing
• The difference between mystical moments and lasting integration
• Why some people become destabilized after large experiences — and how to avoid it
• How facilitators can be more ethical, informed, and effective

“Transformation doesn’t happen on the mat. It happens Tuesday morning in traffic.”

Whether you’re a seeker, practitioner, or clinician, this conversation offers grounded, real-world wisdom on how to support personal evolution through mindful exploration and conscious integration.

📘 Learn more about Kerby’s embodiment protocol and facilitator training: MindscapeInstitute.org