Ni'coel and Chelsea challenge the conventional wisdom that boundaries are as essential as people think they are and argue that they can actually limit potential. We explore how broken HR systems often fail to protect employees, and how some rule-breakers can actually be positive deviants who push boundaries and drive innovation. Join us for a Human Decision Intelligence conversation that will challenge your assumptions about self-protection, HR systems, and rule-breaking.

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🔸Cohost: Chelsea Makena’s work spans leadership development, enablement, engagement, and performance. She partners with founders and tech executives to build humane, high-performance systems. As one of CHDI’s earliest collaborators, she brings a grounded people lens that elevates our conversations on human systems.