What if the economy wasn’t measured by how much we produce, but by how well we actually live?

In this episode, Chalin sits down with economist and Ecological Economics lecturer Michael Mezzatesta to rethink capitalism from the ground up. They unpack why traditional growth-at-all-costs economics is colliding with climate limits, explore ideas like a well-being economy and degrowth, and ask whether we should cap extreme wealth at the top. From overconsumption and inequality to finding happiness with “enough,” this conversation offers a clear, hopeful look at what a more sustainable, fair economic system could actually look like—and what it would take to get there.