Prominent author, speaker, and human behavior researcher Alfie Kohn is known for challenging widely-held beliefs about parenting and education. On this episode, Kohn discusses the importance of working with children to understand their perspective, rather than trying to buy their obedience with bribery or punishment, whether at home or inside the classroom. He shares radical steps for creating collaborative approaches to both education and parenting, where adults talk less and listen more.

"...we have to stop ourselves from simply figuring out new tricks and techniques to get kids to obey whatever we're telling them to do. And that's what takes enormous courage, as well as skills and talent and time. ..an important related, but distinct point about both families and classrooms, is that bribes are as bad as threats. Both are instances of what I call a 'doing to' approach. Whereas the only thing that can help us meet our long-term goals for our kids is a 'working with' approach." --Alfie Kohn