Alan Chen, former Treasurer of Rethinking Economics NL joins us to talk about his journey from engineering into economics, the views sociology can give economists on labour, how he jumped into the position of being Treasurer and is an example of start before you're ready. Enjoy this episode! A conversation between Alan Chen and Julika Frome. To start off with a quote 'I understood what he said, yet I didn't understand what he meant. What was labour? Labour was L.