The path out of the wilderness rarely looks like the path you imagined when you first stepped into church life. We open up about leaving familiar roles, finding unexpected oasis moments, and learning to hear God more clearly in quiet places than on crowded stages. From a notebook in the woods to songs that finally told the truth, this conversation unpacks how solitude can turn confusion into conviction—and why that matters when you’re sent back into a congregation that may not understand where you’ve been.

We get practical about what the wilderness builds: a simpler obedience, a steadier identity, and a new compassion for people far from church walls. You’ll hear how writing and journaling sharpened thinking, how honest Americana songwriting validated pain, and how empathy grew in unlikely places like barrooms and music venues. We also draw a striking parallel between decisive action under pressure and decisive prayer: sometimes you must move quickly and wisely, regain initiative, and trust God with the outcome. And when accusations come, we look at Jesus’ pattern—discern when to answer, and when to remain silent.

If you’re wondering how to reenter church life without losing your soul, we offer a clear approach: don’t chase positions; ask for people. Pray simple prayers—Why am I here? Who should I serve?—and follow the first clear step. Demonstrate the Kingdom with presence, patience, and love. Whether you’re planted for years or sent as a brief witness, hold your ego loosely and your assignment tightly. The man or woman who leaves the wilderness is not the one who entered it, and that’s the best news for a weary congregation.

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