This episode was a really fun one for me to do. My longtime friends Alex Sipes and Collin Sleasman joined me to talk about, well, a lot of stuff. Music and guitars, songwriting, going back to school, and what it really means to be busy.

Collin moved away from Arizona a few months ago, and this conversation was the first time the three of us had a conversation with each other outside of text messaging. But, long before anyone moved or even finished high school, I played drums in a band that I started with Collin that Alex later joined. We played together for years, recorded some songs, and even did some touring abroad. These guys are really good friends of mine and I have gone through some very formative experiences and times with them, and it only seemed right that they guested on my podcast. Enjoy.