This interview is with my friend, Rev. Bert Cloud, who is serving as the Pastor at Sterling UMC in Sterling, VA. Before entering ministry, Bert worked as a School Psychologist for a number of years. He and his wife, Rev. Gina Anderson-Cloud entered Candler School of Theology together and started their journeys, and have served together and apart. We talk about his background, journey, and a behind-the-scenes look at the appointment process as a clergy couple.