In my conversation with the Rev. D. Maurice Charles, the first African American chaplain at the University of Chicago, he shares how he was called to the ministry; his family heritage of slavery and survival; his scholarly work in religion and violence; why denying the existence of systematic bias is damaging to BIPOC and oppressed groups; how music and the arts help us process trauma; and why we should "treat others not only how we want to be treated, but how they want to be treated."