A conversation with Rev Jesse about his spiritual path, coming out as a gay man, and being called to ministry in a way that serves the LGBTQ community. He explains what we are seeing in contemporary politics today is spiritual law in action where we are invited to transcend condition and know that we are more than the world tells us. He is the co-founder and spiritual director of Inspire Spiritual Center in West Hollywood, Los Angeles. First broadcast on June 20, 2018, on KPFK 90.7 FM Los Angeles.