In today's program Roy and I speak with Steve of thinksaveretire.com. Steve and his wife are successful practioners of FIRE – financial independence retire early. They achieved financial independence and retired in their mid 30s! Find out how and why they did it.

Then in our beer segment, we taste Steve's favorite beer – Deep Canyon Amber from Thunder Canyon of Tucson AZ.

And we cap off today's show with Roy's composition of All My Love's in Vain.

Welcome to the retire hoppy podcast with Ted Carr and Roy Weinberg!