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In this episode, Christina and Lori enjoy their first guest interview with Pastor Matt Anderson, lead pastor at McDowell Church in Scottsdale, Arizona. Not only does he discuss his own liminal experience but he gives some valuable rhythms to practice during liminality.

If you want to find out more about Pastor Matt and McDowell Church, visit https://mcdowell.church/

Other resources mentioned:
A Long Obedience in the Same Direction by Eugene Peterson (IV Press, 1980)
"Becoming Aware of Our Thirst," Chapter 6 in Inside Out by Larry Crabb (NavPress, 2013) 

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