In this episode, Jamie and Rian talk about:

- The impact setting unrealistic expectations for yourself has
- How to motivate yourself to do the work
- Learning to detach from external validation
- Writing for self-expression is different to writing to connect with others
- Listeners like to be connected with
- By writing consistently, you'll discover what your style is
- Why work towards writing for a living?
- Why get a traditional job?
- Does getting a normal job mean you're giving up?
- How having a normal job helps you write better songs
- Luck
- The rules of songwriting, and of the music industry
- Pacing yourself and consistency
- and more. There's always more, isn't there?

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Recommended reading:
The Art of Learning by Joshua Waitzkin

Edited and mixed by Tiki Horea
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