If there’s a crime in Baltimore, The Wire will solve it. If there’s a crime ripped from the headlines, Law & Order will solve it. If there’s a crime involving Germanic animals, Grimm will solve it. But if there’s a crime involving a Marine’s body falling out of the sky, you need the fine folks at NCIS.

N.C.I.S. is the Navy Criminal Investigation Service, a fictional group of super cops who solve military crimes using magic screens and invasion of civil liberties. And nerdy, pacifistic comedian Jackie Kashian has a guilty pleasure for this procedural for some reason. So we discussed police tropes, potential spinoffs, and the finer points of aging heart throbs.