My guest this week is Richard Swan. Richard grew up Catholic, became an Anglican and then moved on to Pentecostalism. He was a worship leader and an active member of the Christian music scene including touring as Graham Kendrick‘s choir director. He began to notice that regardless of his person life the people responded in worship under his leadership. This began his questioning which eventually led to his deconversion. Post-deconversion, Richard is now the director of London City Voices, a non-religious community choir. Richard has figured out how to use his passion for music to build a secular community. In our conversation, we talk about the power of music to bring people together, how it can be manipulated and what it takes to be a community builder. Links Website https://www.londoncityvoices.co.uk/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCE7166Y1HBO7_lh7_yjE4g Twitter https://twitter.com/LondonCityVoice Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/412432238841455/ Interact Deconversion How To https://gracefulatheist.wordpress.com/2017/12/03/deconversion-how-to/ Attribution "Waves" track written and produced by Makaih Beats http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Makaih_Beats  Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/us/