My good friend Riley sits at the table with me and we go DEEP on his experience with R.G. Collingwood and his book 'The Principles of Art'. We also look at how this book fueled a writing project of Riley's that grew to 367 pages as he wrestled with his own creative voice and his place in the world. This is a very special talk and I encourage multiple listens. There is so much here to chew on it invites you to come back for second helpings. Enjoy!

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