This week Robbie and Jordan chat about the "always on call" expectations of modern work, the unreliability of memory, building reflection time into your creative process, and the calming effect of grids (?).

Do grids chill you out? How do you deal with an anxiety spiral? Let us know in a voicemail!

Mentioned in this episode:

Dr. Devon Price and their book Laziness Does Not Exist

Jennifer Pastiloff and her book On Being Human

Tricia Hersey's Nap Minstry

Jared Pike's 3D render artwork

Jared A. Brock's Open Letter to AirBNB

Thank you so much to our Patreon subscribers Lindsey B, Dave M, Jill B, Page N and Brianna G. Your support means so much!

Production and music by Jordan Lane.

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