His Holiness Younus AlGohar discusses with Mr Steve Bell (the President of Messiah Foundation International) the tendencies for people of all religions to fall into ritualistic practices rather than to struggle on the spiritual path. His Holiness draws parallels between the Abrahamic Faiths and explains how His Divine Eminence Lord Ra Riaz Gohar Shahi's message is universally acceptable whether one practises a religion or not. Mr Bell also relays a wonderful dream he had.