In this episode, we talk with river surfer Ben Smith. Chasing waves throughout the western states, Ben is not your typical surfer. He's passionate about river waves and will travel far and wide to ride the best waves.

We talk about surfing, of course. But also access to and diversity in outdoor recreation.

His gear review site is:https://www.riversurflab.com

Here is a clip of mine featuring Ben surfing at the Glenwood wave in Colorado: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfImr2lBBG0