Tony welcomes Rob Drieslein, managing editor of the Outdoor News. They talk about staying true to a religious heritage, convincing a Methodist to become a Lutheran, growing up in wildlife refuges, whether the Trump administration is the worst ever for conservation, the 30 Years War, hunting caribou in Alaska, losing faith, whether outdoors journalism has perks, and how to have hope in the face of bad news. Read Rob's columns at https://www.outdoornews.com/category/blogs/minblogs/rob-drieslein/ and find him on Twitter at @ODN_Editor.

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