"Our church gave away 12 million dollars last year to charities" says Rob Ketterling proudly. Ketterling is a man who sees generosity as a goal. He's the pastor at River Valley Church in Minnesota and has been ministering for 30 years with that focus.

He's the author of The Generous Life and uses his own experience as an example of how to step out in faith having started his own ministry on five credit cards.

In this episode of the Babel Undone he talks to Johnnie Moore and Archbishop D'Souza about how people want their money to make a difference and offers practical advice to churches on how to dream big