In this episode, I interview Rob Muller (@RotoTok), a lifelong musician, professional drummer, and music producer who also happens to enjoy photography.

As someone who's signed three record contracts, Rob and I had a great chat about the realities of "making it" when a band signs to a record label, why everyone needs to make time for their art and passions, and what it takes to raise and encourage creative kids. He's a great guy, and it shows throughout our conversation. (By the way, sales from his album, Deep Blue Underneath, support a scholarship he founded for students at Indiana University.)

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