Robbie Arnott joins Backstory to discuss his second novel, The Rain Heron, an allegorical, cautionary tale which has been described as “a journey into a perilous world where the horror of human greed collides with the eloquence of nature”; and Elizabeth Flux talks about 'This is not a Eulogy for Hong Kong', an essay in the latest issue of Kill Your Darlings, where she reflects on her rage, despair and helplessness while watching the crisis unfold in her homeland from afar. With presenter Mel Cranenburgh. Website: https://www.rrr.org.au/explore/programs/backstory