Today, Mitch and Tom are joined by none other than CEO of the Ecological Futures group and former senior scientist at the burea of intelligence Rod Schoonover. The guys and Rod talk about what led Rod to resign in protest from the White House as well as institutional climate deniers. More than this they explore the possibility to change, what we can do to combat climate change and why it is considered a national security issue for the intelligence agency. Music by: Joakim Karud - https://soundcloud.com/joakimkarud.