Matt Crawford speaks with author and poet about his book, Phone Ringing in a Dark House. This is a collection of poetry written over five years and touches on many different subjects. Rolly and I discuss why many of us may be intimidated by poetry because we are not sure what it means, or what it is supposed to make us feel. As I discovered through Rolly's poetry, even the poet doesn't know where their poems will take you and it is up to us the reader to make that journey. This was one of my favorite conversations and I hope you will give a listen and then a read. Follow up with a conversation after that and I am sure it will be inspiring.