Milfred and Hands tout U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson's resistance to the House-passed "big, beautiful bill" that would further burden our children and grandchildren with debt. But he's only half right in focusing on spending while mostly ignoring the cost of tax cuts.

Milfred and Hands tout U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson's resistance to the House-passed "big, beautiful bill" that would further burden our children and grandchildren with debt. But he's only half right in focusing on spending while mostly ignoring the cost of tax cuts.

Ron Johnson's big, beautiful 'no'

They're the "Click and Clack" of Wisconsin politics. <a href="https://madison.com/users/profile/scott%20milfred/">Scott Milfred</a>, editorial page editor for the Wisconsin State Journal, and&nbsp;<a href="https://madison.com/users/profile/phil%20hands/">Phil Hands</a>, the newspaper's political cartoonist, analyze the most important issues and debates from the Badger State with political independence and a sense of humor. Instead of tedious talking points from the left and the right, "Center Stage" broadcasts from the sensible center with audio clips from the Wisconsin Capitol, from State Journal editorial board meetings, and from political events across the state.

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They're the "Click and Clack" of Wisconsin politics. Scott Milfred, editorial page editor for the Wisconsin State Journal, and Phil Hands, the newspaper's political cartoonist, analyze the most important issues and debates from the Badger State with political independence and a sense of humor. Instead of tedious talking points from the left and the right, "Center Stage" broadcasts from the sensible center with audio clips from the Wisconsin Capitol, from State Journal editorial board meetings, and from political events across the state.

They're the "Click and Clack" of Wisconsin politics. <a href="https://madison.com/users/profile/scott%20milfred/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Scott Milfred</a>, editorial page editor for the Wisconsin State Journal, and&nbsp;<a href="https://madison.com/users/profile/phil%20hands/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Phil Hands</a>, the newspaper's political cartoonist, analyze the most important issues and debates from the Badger State with political independence and a sense of humor. Instead of tedious talking points from the left and the right, "Center Stage" broadcasts from the sensible center with audio clips from the Wisconsin Capitol, from State Journal editorial board meetings, and from political events across the state.

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