An intimate and inspiring conversation with artist Rory Pilgrim and poet and disability advocate Carol R. Kallend. Together we explore their hopes for more conscious, creative, and caring relationships with robotic technologies. Leading into the podcast are gorgeous vocals by Robyn Haddon from the track ‘Erase’ that she co-wrote with Pilgrim for his 11-part music video album Software Garden (2016-18).

image: Rory Pilgrim, Software Garden (2018). HD film. Courtesy of andriesse eyck galerie