Rowland is a technology correspondent at Sky News where he covers the way technology impacts politics and public life, most recently in the fight against Covid-19.

As well as this, we also talk about why it's so hard for governments to deploy capital well, and the relative merits of technocracy and populism.

----------------

Thanks to Cofruition for consulting on and producing the show. You can learn more about Entrepreneur First at www.joinef.com and subscribe to my weekly newsletter at tib.matthewclifford.com